Unreal Instruments

Here's a bit of synthesis :)

Creator - paulovski

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A few real instrument emulations. The trumpet and strings are individual machines. The rest are composites.

There is a short demo in the Sequencer Piano Roll so export as a Caustic song file to hear that.

Enjoy :)

1 - Guitar

Preset
Norman

  • Slot 1 - VinylSimulator
  • Slot 2 - VinylSimulator

2 - Gt Comp

Preset
AGP

  • Slot 1 - Delay
  • Slot 2 - Octaver

3 - Sax

Preset
SAXY

  • Slot 1 - Delay
  • Slot 2 - Empty

4 - Sax Comp

Preset
Saxworks

  • Slot 1 - Octaver
  • Slot 2 - VinylSimulator

5 - Trumpet

Preset
TRUMPET C

  • Slot 1 - Octaver
  • Slot 2 - Octaver

6 - Strings A

Preset
STRINGS F

No Effects

7 - Strings B

Preset
SYMPHONY

No Effects

8 - Bass Comp

Preset
No preset loaded

No Effects

9 - Upright A

Preset
UPRIGHT

No Effects

10 - Upright B

Preset
Upright

No Effects

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Haha...nice little ditty. And

Haha...nice little ditty. And nice work with the synthesis. I think I like the strings and the trumpet the best. I never would have guessed you could get a trumpet sound like that out of the modular.

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Thanks Todd. I can't really

Thanks Todd. I can't really take any credit for the tune though :)

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Yeah I figured being all

Yeah I figured being all piano roll it was probably a midi. That's a lot of fun to do though... start with a midi file and fill it up with your own sounds. Maybe its a backwards way of learning, but I feel like I've learned a lot that way.

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> start with a midi file and

start with a midi file and fill it up with your own sounds.

Nothing wrong with this at all! Man this world likes to own stuff, that is the best way of learning synthesis IMHO. It is backwards but it's also another way to hear things in your head and get it out, where you might not be able to arranging at the same time.

Haven't looked yet Paul but thanks for uploading. :)

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Indeed, I thoroughly agree.

Indeed, I thoroughly agree. An awful lot can be learnt from looking at MIDI files. However, this isn't one of them. What I meant was, I can't take composing credits.

You're very unlikely to find me putting notes in patterns for linear sequencing in Caustic. For so many reasons that I could write a book on the subject. And I'm always happy to discuss why with open minded people. But not in this thread :)  Though I will say that if I'd tried to put that trumpet part together using patterns, it would have been such a nightmare that I wouldn't have done it.

Anyway. Scoop some mids with the desk eq out of the Sax Comp modsynth, and it sounds a lot better. And damn it! I forgot the master vinyl sim :)

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Well, I understand why and it

Well, I understand why and it's that nothing in life repeats so patterns are not really patterns.

From my perspective, I am not really partial other than patterns are like training wheels for musicians starting out, nothing wrong with them in moderation.

So in my apps I use them as rhythmical devices.

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Ha ha. I was going to say

Ha ha. I was going to say something about that. The sequencing in your apps follow a completely different paradigm from that linear thing (thought that's why you were doing it :)) and patterns make 100% sense for that.

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Yeah exactly, I think I

Yeah exactly, I think I misunderstood what you mean, you are talking about making patterns and then actually sequencing them linearly.

My apps loop chunks, I already made a pretty insane old skool prog trance thing in LGB as a test. (building up patterns, copy/paste and varying the arp basslines and then automating everything different as I built them up).

You can also use this app as a seed start, and then use subtractive arrangement to create it linearly in say Caustic's sequencer. All these patterns once sequenced could all be spit out on the piano roll.

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I'd like to pick your brain

I'd like to pick your brain sometime on how you sequence without patterns, but I know that's probably not a short and simple discussion. I can see where there'd be advantages, and I get the more varied a song is all the way through only makes it more interesting... but the process from start to finish without patterns is what I can't wrap my head around. But then again, I've never even tried.

Anyway I just finished the midi for Escape From New York and aside from a few soundfonts and about 3 or 4 that I made myself with the fm, sawsynth, and subsynth, at the lat minute I added your string pads.

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Snake Pliskin? I thought you

Snake Pliskin? I thought you were dead. Nice. I'll look forward to hearing that :)

' But then again. I've never tried.'

It really is a familiarity thing. I doubt that anyone used patterns to their full potential when they first started playing around with Caustic. I've been sequencing for decades and I didn't. So you get patterns under your belt and that's that. Meanwhile, a whole chunk of the app gets ignored. A lot of people don't even know it's there. And it will do things that patterns just won't. And it allows you to do things that, while not impossible with patterns, is such a chore that it's offputting.  

I haven't heard this new track of yours yet, but, you daft sod, it's in the wrong key. Assuming this were true, how long would it take to transpose it? A minute? Two max? An hour? That, of course, depends on how many patterns you've used on however many melodic tracks there are. Let's say five tracks with eight patterns (hardly pushing things). That's 40 different edit pages you'd have to visit. Five's plenty enough for me. Two minutes max.

How people sequence is really up to them. What comes out of the monitors is the main thing. But I do think that people should be aware of it's differences. Try it out some time. If you get stuck with anything, let me know.

(You could export that track as a MIDI file, reimport it into itself, transpose in SPV, delete any automation free patterns and the notes from automated patterns. Ten minutes max.)

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Yeah when you put it that way

Yeah when you put it that way it makes a lot of sense. Not to mention being free from the limitations of time signatures... even being able to sequence different time signatures per track (not that I can imagine I would).
I guess like you said it comes down to how you prefer to work. Well none of my original stuff started out as a plan. I usually start with a pattern, then while looping in pattern mode, i might add machines and grow it into a loop. Then maybe I'll add patterns in the same key on different machines, etc. until I feel like I might have enough to try and start sequencing. ... I guess that would in a way be like the subtractive sequencing Mike's been talking about. :) The problem then is, I have a middle that I need to make a beginning and end for.

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Seriously though, I am having

Seriously though, I am having some real bouts with my dyslexia these last few days and doing things backasswards is how I have always done things.

I can see myself making a lot of tracks with LGB and spitting that stuff into my DAW with audio loops and midi and creating bad ass stuff.

So I can imagine a lot of people doing that same thing with Caustic and taking this content into the piano roll and finishing it up.

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A lot of these sounds could

A lot of these sounds could be interesting, mega busy a work at the moment, might try and download a little later. I am intrigued by this side discussion on sequencing. Up until now all the track I have made have used patterns I have never really tried inputting into the Piano roll, except on the track I am working on a the moment. It seems to be going ok, although just by the fact it is new to me, makes me struggle a bit. There is one thing which is a bit annoying. When I want to input 8th and 16th notes, because they are so small, I have to widen the view, but the side effect of that is that the passage wizzes by so quickly, I hardly have time to place the notes, maybe I am missing something obvious?

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Well, in this particular

Well, in this particular situation, I think you should turn 'Follow Song' off. And don't forget the panning tool, so you can scroll around, in any direction, in fine detail. And a position marker, so you can keep track of where you are, at any note resolution you chose. With a bit of muscle memory, navigation is a doddle.

Ooh, don't get me started. I seem to be trolling my own thread here. Maybe General Discussions would be a better place. But give it a bit more than ten minutes of your time. You might just end up loving it.

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Another thing I'll add, which

Another thing I'll add, which I only recently discovered... if you place you position marker as close to the far left edge as possible before you zoom, you'll end up pretty close to where you want to be.

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Exactly. If you use the

Exactly. If you use the panning tool to move the arrangement so the cursor is just visible to the left,  you can zoom from right out to right in, in one step (in stop mode). No zoom, scroll, zoom scroll, zoom, scroll. None of that nonsence. This is good for detailed song automation editing too.

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Hey guys, thanks those tips

Hey guys, thanks those tips are good, I will stick with it, the track i am working on is going to end up as a hybrid, if you like, so a mixture of piano roll input and pattern input, but i am getting more familiar with it as i go along

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